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When does player retain the box?
> I know there are various rules for chouette play and the best thing
> when starting one is to discuss rules every time so there won't be a
> misunderstanding. Are there any rules which are good and don't make
> things confusing?
> For example, is the game between the Box and the Captain the game that
> decides who becomes the Box next game? If the Box doubles and the
> Captain doesn't accept but there is a player who accepts and then wins,
> is the Box still the Box next game, or is it the player next in line to
> be the Box?
> My opinion is the game between the Box and the Captain must be
> conclusive, otherwise it leads to a situation where the Box must accept
> every cube just to keep his chair.
1. Chouette is social backgammon. Regardless of the stakes involved,
players should, as you note, agree in advance on rules which are
comfortable for *them*.
2. There are no, and I suspect there never will be, 'worldwide chouette
rules' that everyone 'should' follow. However, rules have common
variations which affect the chouette's (a) sociability; (b) equity and
protection of good/average/bad players; and (c) speed of the game. You
probably want to be aware of different possible rules and how they might
affect *you* in your chouette.
3. See Inside Backgammon (v.4, no. 4 (July-August 1995) for a discussion
of *some* chouette rule variations.
4. Your specific question, if I may rephrase it, was:
Q. In a chouette with multiple cubes, can a player remain in the Box if
he doubles, the Captain drops, and the Box subsequently loses the game to
a player who takes?
A. That depends on your rule :). Variations include:
(i) A player retains the Box if he wins the game (bears off the last man
first, or ends the game with a double which all remaining players drop).
(ii) A player retains the Box if he wins the game and defeats the Captain.
(iii) A player retains the Box if he defeats the Captain, regardless of
the result against other players.
(iv) A player retains the Box if he shows an overall profit in the game,
regardless of whether the Box wins or loses the game.
(v) A player retains the Box if he wins the game and [shows a profit]
[breaks even or shows a profit].
(vi) The Box retains the Box if he defeats at least half the players.
You seem to be in agreement with rule (iii), which, in his article, Bill
Robertie states is the most popular. I've never seen that rule used. In my
experience, rules (v), (i), (ii) and (iv) are most common. My own
preference is for rule (i) or (ii).
- Automatic doubles with carryover (Alexander Zamanian, Jan 1999)
- California rule (Peter Anderson+, Nov 2001)
- Captain drops and others take (Grafix8888+, Sept 2000)
- Chouette cube strategy (Stanley E. Richards+, Mar 2011)
- Cube proxy (Ilia Guzei+, June 2003)
- Dream chouette (Phil Simborg+, Sept 2009)
- Extras (Daniel Murphy, Feb 1997)
- Extras (Albert Steg, July 1996)
- Extras (Anthony R Wuersch, Mar 1995)
- Fish-hunt rules (Chuck Bower+, Feb 2006)
- Interlocking chouette (wintom+, Jan 2008)
- Jacoby rule (Doug Doub+, Aug 2005)
- Legal plays only (Gregg Cattanach+, Aug 2001)
- Los Angeles Rules (Joe Russell, Apr 2013)
- Los Angeles Rules (Justin N.+, Aug 2011)
- Lure of the chouette (Bob Koca+, July 2004)
- Mandatory beaver (Roland Scheicher+, Mar 2002)
- Mandatory beaver (David Montgomery, Jan 1999)
- Money management (Albert Steg, Sept 1998)
- Online chouette rules (John Graas, July 2003)
- Order of succession (leobueno+, Aug 2011)
- Order of succession (Albert Steg, June 1995)
- Procedure when captain doubles (Bill Riles+, Feb 2010)
- Split cube actions (Neil Kazaross, June 2003)
- Strategy (Michael J. Zehr, Sept 1998)
- Variable stakes (Christopher Yep+, Apr 2000)
- Waiting for teammate to double (Øystein Johansen+, July 2001)
- When box takes a partner (Dan Pelton+, Mar 2009)
- When does player retain the box? (Daniel Murphy, Jan 1997)
- When is consulting allowed? (Dave+, Mar 2000)