Forum Archive : Rollouts

Cubeless vs centered-cube rollouts From:   Ron Karr Address:   karr@best.com Date:   22 December 1997 Subject:   Re: Difference and value of "cubeless" vs. "centered" roll outs Forum:   rec.games.backgammon Google:   349EB00F.1A5B@best.com > My questions concern the terms "centered" and "cubeless" in the equity > evaluations. > > 1. Am I correct in assuming that "cubeless" means that the game is > played to completion with no doubling by either side? Yes > 2. Am I correct in assuming that "centered" means that the cube is > available for either side during the roll out? Yes > 3. Why are both "cubeless" and "centered" roll outs valuable in > determining whether to double? Is a different type of information > gleaned from each of them? Yes, you get different information. Cubeless tells you the results when the game is played to the end. "Centered cube" means that both players have access to the cube; when either player's equity gets to a point greater than the "settlement limit" (usually set at .55), that player is counted as winning a single game. To determine whether to double (according to the level 5 rollouts), you also need to look at the figures for "player not on roll owns cube". You multiply that figure times 2 (because the guy being doubled owns a 2-cube), and if it's greater (for the doubler) than the center cube equity, then doubling is correct. (And it's a pass if the "player not on roll owns cube" equity is worse than -.5). (If you're looking at redoubles, then you use "player on roll owns cube" instead of "centered cube") Ron   Did you find the information in this article useful?           Do you have any comments you'd like to add?

 

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