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Cocked dice From:   Ed Rosenblum Address:   ed.rosenblum@gmail.com Date:   24 December 2009 Subject:   Precision Cocked Dice Forum:   BGonline.org Forums So last night at the chouette ... My opponent rolled a precision die onto its corner. Not an unusual occurrence. Dice are cocked ... re-roll. However, in this case after 2 seconds, the die fell from its cocked position. There was movement in the room but no noticeable shaking of the table but who knows. So, is there a time period for cocked dice? The tournament rules are no help: 4.2 VALID ROLLS. Both dice must leave the cup before either die contacts the board; otherwise they must be rerolled. Both dice must come to rest flat on the playing surface to the right of the bar; otherwise they are "cocked" and must be rerolled. In the event of dispute, a player who rerolls prior to receiving acknowledgment from his opponent that the dice are cocked will be at a disadvantage. Richard Munitz  writes: I've always taken the position that when the die stops movement for long enough to not be a balk in baseball, it is cocked. Obviously if the opponent agrees, there is no issue. But if you say "cocked" and then it falls over before your opponent agrees, then what? I would make the case that as long as the opponent concedes the fact of the discernable stop, it is cocked at that moment -- particularly because the first die's value was known and we should not have to guess whether anyone breathed heavy to make it tip over. Gregg Cattanach  writes: Actually, the tournament rules do describe this exactly: "Both dice must come to rest flat on the playing surface" If a die comes to rest and it isn't flat, it is cocked. When it stops moving (comes to rest) it when you determine if it is flat. If it stops moving and is on its corner, it is cocked. There is no "time limit" required. Richard Munitz  writes: Excellent observation Gregg. The "discernable stop" I spoke of is the means of recognizing that the die has "come to rest". But it is now crystal clear what the ruling must be.   Did you find the information in this article useful?           Do you have any comments you'd like to add?

 

Rulings

Checker knocked off bar  (Chuck Bower+, Sept 2003) 

Clock rules and gin positions  (Chris Yep+, Dec 2007) 

Clock rules end of turn  (Jason Lee+, Dec 2007) 

Cocked dice  (Rodney Lighton+, July 2012) 

Cocked dice  (Ed Rosenblum+, Dec 2009) 

Cocked dice  (Chuck Bower+, July 2003) 

Cocked die on first roll  (Cloyd Laporte+, Nov 2006) 

Crawford game double  (Øystein Johansen+, June 2004) 

Crawford game double  (Joe+, May 2004) 

Crawford game double  (Raccoon+, Sept 2003) 

Crawford game double  (Claes Thornberg+, Apr 1998) 

Dice sliding  (Chris Yep+, Dec 2007) 

Disagreement on final cube  (Chuck Bower+, May 2004) 

Disagreement over cocked dice  (DeaconBlue+, May 2005) 

Disputed roll  (Roland Scheicher+, Mar 2004) 

Disputed roll  (Chuck Bower+, Mar 2000) 

Doubling to wrong value  (Stein Kulseth+, Nov 1998) 

Equipment changes  (Jason Lee+, Feb 2004) 

Error in setup  (Stick+, Dec 2007) 

Incorrect setup  (Ken+, Mar 2004) 

Kibitzing  (Ilia Guzei+, Feb 2006) 

Misplaced cube  (Ned Cross+, Mar 2004) 

Misplacing a checker off the board  (Sam Pottle+, Apr 2006) 

Misplacing a checker on the bar  (Jeb Horton, Dec 2002) 

Moving checkers before you roll  (Gregg Cattanach+, Mar 2006) 

Moving with two hands  (Jason Lee+, Jan 2011) 

Opening roll loser picks up his die  (Chuck Bower+, Oct 2007) 

Playing to wrong match length  (Klaus Evers+, Jan 2006) 

Playing to wrong match length  (Marty Storer+, Mar 2005) 

Playing to wrong match length  (Steve Mellen, Feb 1998) 

Playing wrong opponent  (Hank Youngerman+, Oct 2005) 

Premature actions  (Raccoon+, Feb 2008) 

Premature roll  (Chris Yep+, Dec 2007) 

Repositioning dice without notice  (Chuck Bower+, Oct 2007) 

Rerolling cocked dice too quickly  (Raccoon+, Nov 2006) 

Rolling 2 dice instead of 1 to start  (Bob Koca+, Oct 2007) 

Rolling when opponent is closed out  (Raccoon+, Nov 2006) 

Rolling wrong dice  (TarHeelFan+, Sept 2005) 

Taking photos of positions  (Stick+, Dec 2007) 

Touching the doubling cube  (Ken Bame+, Nov 2006) 

Touching the doubling cube  (Chuck Bower+, Apr 1998) 

Two cubes on the board  (Jason Lee+, July 2005) 

Video dispute resolution  (Jason Lee+, Feb 2006) 

When are the dice "up"?  (Ilia Guzei+, Feb 2006) 

Writing down positions  (Klaus Evers+, Jan 2006) 

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