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DailyGammon From:   Scott Steiner Address:   big_poppa_pump3000@yahoo.com Date:   4 April 2004 Subject:   Dailygammon and using programs as an aid Forum:   rec.games.backgammon Google:   40703622.E85FF5AC@yahoo.com Hi, I'm thinking about joining dailygammon because I like to take more time thinking about a position during play. Question: are the players on dailygammon fair and don't consult bots during a match? If someone has a lot of time to make a move then some people might get tempted to use a bot as an aid, however, this would make the match a waste of time for me because if I wanted to play gnubg then I would do so on my PC, and that much faster. So basically I'm asking how the subject of bot consultation is handled on dailygammon, or on any other turnbased website. Thanks. Linda Lampe  writes: While there may be a little of that, the vast majority of our players enjoy the challenge of the game and don't want to or don't need to use a bot. It is difficult to know if someone is using a bot, so we don't normally enforce any rules against it. Rarely, someone may become suspicious and run some matches through Snowie analysis. Consistent 'world class' rating usually suggests a bot is being used. The more common problem is a player entering more than one user name in a tournament, which we do not allow and enforce when such a case is found. Linda DailyGammon Help Desk Rob Adams  writes: I am very grateful to Jordan and dailygammon for just the reason you mention here. I like to take time on occasion to really think about a play. And at dailygammon I can do so without delaying the game(s). And I believe my game has improved a lot as a result... even when I play faster in real life or real time. The quick answer is yes, the players are fair. But you don't have to take my or anyone's word for it. All the matches are saved so you can look at how anyone plays (if you look at my matches don't laugh too hard please). Snowie, gnubg, JellyFish, BGBlitz, or your favorite bot will happily tell you that even the top players there are not in their league. gandydancer  writes: The competition on DailyGammon is *very* good and Rob Adams is one of the stronger players on the site. I enjoy my play at DG and don't think bot consulting is much of a problem. If someone is using a bot during the match, I don't really care. I am just there to improve my game and playing against bots is one of the ways to improve. Bob Newell  writes: For turn-based play Dailygammon is as good as it gets. It sets the standard, and it's free to boot! Michael Sullivan  writes: It's a very nice site and there are a fair number of good players there. You won't the find the number of top players that you will on gg, but I'm not aware of any that cheat with bots. I'm sure it happens with a few players, but there's no way it's widespread enough that you might as well just play gnubg, anymore than it is on real-time servers. The biggest reason is: what's the upside to cheating since there's no money on these games or any real major recognition for winning tournaments? You get a high rating! Woop-de-doo when you know it's bullshit. That won't stop everybody, but it'll stop 95% of people at least. Note that the ratings there are excellent, but somewhat askew from the gg standard. Figure to subtract around 200-250 points from an experienced player to get a gg equivalent. Which means that a lot of people there are very weak. That said, it doesn't bother me much, because as you play a lot of tournaments and get into the later rounds, you end up playing most of your games against the top 200 players or so (assuming you are strong enough to be one of them, so that you regularly go deep into tournaments). I have a friend who takes some moves for me when I can't play that is rated about 200 pts below me -- he was really surprised when he saw how many strong players I was playing. It's true that you can't cherry pick your games and still have them rated, but that also means that in tournaments you can get games with the top players before you've built up a good rating and the better you do, the more of them you will get.   Did you find the information in this article useful?           Do you have any comments you'd like to add?

 

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Backgammon4Money--Announcement  (Will Edison, Dec 2001) 

Best value  (Kenny Lee Smith+, June 1998) 

Club Games  (Ashton Haze, Sept 2005) 

Club Games  (Tomawaky+, May 2005) 

Comparison of rakes  (Raccoon, Dec 2006) 

Comparison of rakes  (Raccoon, July 2006) 

Comparison of rakes  (Hank Youngerman+, Oct 2005) 

Comparison of rakes  (Daniel, Aug 2005) 

DailyGammon  (Dan Wittkopp+, July 2004) 

DailyGammon  (Scott Steiner+, Apr 2004) 

DailyGammon  (Phil Vanicek, May 2001) 

FIBS vs. GamesGrid  (Bob Stringer, May 2000) 

FIBS--Financial support  (Kit Woolsey, Aug 1997) 

FIBS--Original announcement  (Andreas Schneider, July 1992) 

FIBS--Top Tournament Performers  (Osman Guner, July 2003) 

FIBS--Your worst fears  (Richard Greenberg, Nov 1995) 

Fair Backgammon  (info, May 2006) 

Free online tournaments  (Ricardo Hui+, Mar 2009) 

Friendly play site  (Ian Dunstan+, Feb 2006) 

GameDesire  (Maciej Mróz, Sept 2004) 

GameSite2000--Announcment  (GameSite 2000, Jan 2000) 

Games4Dollars  (Info Team, Apr 2004) 

GamesGrid vs FIBS  (Jim Cochrane, Jan 1999) 

GamesGrid--Announcement  (CyberArts Inc., June 1996) 

GamesGrid--Comparison to FIBS  (Ken Arnold, May 1997) 

GamesGrid--Second version  (Ken Arnold, Sept 1996) 

GamesGrid--Update  (Ken Arnold, Mar 1998) 

Gammon Empire--Announcement  (Jerry, Nov 2004) 

Gammon11  (sirkaber, May 2006) 

HigherGames--Announcement  (Michael Gilbert, Dec 2003) 

ItsYourTurn--Announcement  (Tom Buhrman, Sept 1999) 

Ladbrokes.com  (mccm1976, May 2006) 

Link to review of play sites  (cindybel+, May 2006) 

MSN Gaming Zone--Overall experience  (Mark Ferrante+, Nov 1997) 

MSN Gaming Zone--Thoughts  (Gregg Cattanach, Dec 1998) 

MoneyGaming.com  (max+, July 2005) 

NOBS  (Lou Poppler+, Aug 1996) 

Overview  (chinaski+, June 2008) 

Overview  (Alan Webb, Jan 1999) 

PiranhaGammon  (Piranha, Dec 2007) 

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Play65/GammonEmpire  (Butch Meese+, July 2005) 

Play65/GammonEmpire  (Daniel Murphy+, Dec 2004) 

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Play65/GammonEmpire--Are they the same?  (Tony Yarwood+, Aug 2005) 

Play65/GammonEmpire--Review  (Tom Keith+, Sept 2005) 

Play65/GammonEmpire--Withdrawal symptoms  (David Warmind+, May 2007) 

Play65/GammonEmpire--Withdrawal symptoms  (Erik Sorensen+, Apr 2007) 

Playmaker World--Announcement  (Michael Crane, Nov 2001) 

Playsite--Announcement  (Seth Tapper, Mar 1997) 

Ratings comparison  (Daniel Murphy, Aug 1999) 

Richard's Play-by-E-mail Server  (Richard Rognlie, May 1997) 

TrueMoneygames--Announcement  (TrueMoneygames Info, Apr 2002) 

VOG  (Glenn+, Feb 2000) 

Where to play for money  (mginat+, May 2006) 

Where to play for money  (Victor Zanfer+, Apr 2005) 

Yahoo Games  (Steve Fiete+, Mar 1998) 

Yahoo Games--Ratings  (Neil GoBlu+, July 2000) 

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