Variations

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Bad advice From:   Jason Lee Address:   jlee@math.ucsd.edu Date:   17 March 2004 Subject:   Bad Advice Forum:   GammOnLine I read something on the BG Forum Archive (http://www.bkgm.com/rgb/rgb.cgi?view+872) were Doug Zare describes a BG variant called "Bad Advice". On your turn, after you roll the dice, you specify two legal moves, and your opponent chooses which one you will play -- giving you Bad Advice. If you have only one legal move, you make it. All other BG rules are the same. I played a game of Bad Advice tonight, and it was weird. The early game looked like bad but passable backgammon. I wound up playing a back game, and my opponent had trouble bearing off -- you often have only one move that doesn't leave a shot, so I got a lot of shots, but on the flip side of the coin, I couldn't contain a checker after I hit it. Suffice it to say, it was an interesting experiment, but it was quite strange. JLee Ivar Roynstrand  writes: I came up with a similar idea myself (or i think i came up with myself, I might have read it somewhere). We played it like this: Player A rolls. The other player now tells him what move he cannot choose. If there is only one legal move that move has to be played. I played it a few times with some friends, and it can be interesting. The following position: Money game. Blue on roll. Cube action? 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | O | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X X | | | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 is a double-take since all aces except double ones looses for blue (white tell him to play 2/1/off.) This game should need more skill than ordinary backgammon since you are forced to think about your opponents moves. However this game easily gets a bit slower (since both players have to think about the moves all the time). So in terms of difficult descisions per time unit it might not be harder than normal backgammon. I would think that it is likely that there exists several positions where the best move in normal backgammon, would not be the best move with this variant of backgammon, since you can veto your opponents move later.   Did you find the information in this article useful?           Do you have any comments you'd like to add?

 

Variations

Acey-deucy  (J. Nagel, Dec 2004) 

Acey-deucy  (Steve Ewert, June 1998) 

Acey-deucy  (Lee+, Jan 1997) 

Acey-deucy  (John David Galt+, Dec 1995) 

Acey-deucy  (James Eibisch, Apr 1995) 

Backwards play  (Colin Bell, Feb 1996) 

Bad advice  (Jason Lee+, Mar 2004) 

Best-of-n variant of match play  (Tim Chow+, Feb 2009) 

Cancelgammon  (Ilia Guzei+, Mar 2004) 

Domino backgammon  (Laury Chizlett, Sept 1999) 

Duodecagammon  (David Moeser, Dec 2000) 

Duplicate backgammon  (Dean Gay+, Jan 1997) 

Duplicate backgammon  (Albert Steg, Feb 1996) 

Exact bearoff  (Chris Moellering+, Dec 2002) 

Fevga  (George, Sept 2004) 

Fevga (or Moultezim)  (Igor Sheyn+, May 1995) 

Freeze-out match  (Dave Brotherton, July 1998) 

Gabgammon  (jckz, Oct 2005) 

Greek backgammon  (Alexandre Charitopoulos, Aug 2003) 

Greek backgammon  (Alexandros Chatzipetros, June 1997) 

Greek backgammon  (Marc Jacobs+, Feb 1994) 

Hit man  (Matt Reklaitis, Jan 2004) 

Hyper backgammon  (Gregg Cattanach+, Dec 2000) 

Hyper backgammon  (Michael A Urban, Oct 1993) 

International backgammon  (Bob Lancaster+, Oct 2002) 

Jacquet  (Mark Driver, June 2001) 

Longgammon  (Michael Strato, Dec 2000) 

Low number first, fixed dice, others.  (Walter Trice, Jan 1997) 

Mexican  (Tom Henry, Apr 1997) 

Middle Eastern backgammon  (Alan Cairns, Mar 2002) 

Misere (backgammon to lose)  (Jason Lee+, July 2004) 

Misere (backgammon to lose)  (Jason Lee+, Apr 1995) 

Misere, Chase, Skewed dice  (Stein Kulseth, Jan 1997) 

Nackgammon  (Ken Arnold, July 1996) 

Nackgammon opening moves  (Warwick+, Feb 2002) 

Narde  (narde, Nov 2006) 

Nardi  (KL Gerber+, Nov 2002) 

No hit  (RedTop+, May 2004) 

Nuclear backgammon  (Walt Swan, Apr 1997) 

Old English  (Nick Wedd+, Feb 1996) 

One roll lookahead  (Stephen Turner, Mar 1997) 

Opening slot rule  (Gregg Cattanach, June 2006) 

Other variations  (Douglas Zare, Feb 2000) 

Plakoto  (Ed Dengler+, May 1995) 

Plakoto  (Pasteel M., Feb 1994) 

Plakoto express  (Athansios Vagias, Feb 2005) 

Portes  (George, Sept 2004) 

Roll-over  (Edward D. Collins, Oct 1997) 

Russian backgammon  (Daavid Turnbull, Aug 1991) 

Shesh Besh  (G.S., May 2003) 

Simborg Rule  (Scott+, Feb 2005) 

Slot backgammon  (Fabrice Liardet+, Aug 2008) 

Sudden death, Woodpecker, Gerhardsen  (Fredrik Dahl, Jan 1997) 

Tablestakes betting  (TrueMoneygames, June 2002) 

Takhteh  (Bruce Scott+, Mar 2003) 

Tavla  (Arda Findikoglu, Nov 2004) 

Tavla  (ucc02cx+, Feb 1997) 

Tavli (Portes, Plakoto, and Fevga)  (Jens Larsen, July 1997) 

Tracy turn around  (Michael J. Zehr, Feb 1996) 

Tri-gammon  (Gregg Cattanach, Sept 2000) 

Trictrac  (David Levy+, May 1998) 

Trigammon  (James Eibisch, Jan 1997) 

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